Number of L16's

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Number of L16's

Post by MikeB » Mon May 07, 2012 19:41

Does anyone have any idea of the number of L16's ( A & B) that actually still exist? I know the original number was around 500 A's and around 100 B's but I'm sure a great number of them have 'disappeared :roll: ' over the years.

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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Mon May 07, 2012 21:28

Mike,
I look at the serial number. Most will have a 47-xxxx or 48-xxxx number. I'm not sure of the exact number as some of the information was lost. Bill Chappel was trying to make a comparison between the Aeronca build numbers and the Military serial numbers. There is some information available but is not complete and open to interpretation. I'm not aware of an Aeronca document that has this information, some records during the war era are a bit sketchy.
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Post by MikeB » Tue May 08, 2012 06:26

Paul,
Here's a listing from the USAF records from 1946-47. About halfway down they list the USAF serial numbers and the resulting "N" numbers when they were transferred to civilian status. I assume CAP or National Guard. The numbers run from 47-788 through 47-1296 which amounts to 508 planes if my math is correct or very close to the 509 L16A's that I read somewhere before. Interestingly my 47-1180 is not listed for some reason, just jumps the number so I suspect got lost in the paperwork shuffle somewhere. I do have a copy of the index card though so I know it actually existed.

They have a listing of all the serial numbers from 1908 until present (with a number of gaps I'm sure. I stumbled on this site when doing research on a B29 crash over Japan during WW2 that involved the brother of a friend of mine. I just pulled out the 1946-47 for our information.

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_serials/1946.html

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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Tue May 08, 2012 13:43

Mike,
That's the information I was referring to. I don't know the author of the document and some of the civilian numbers have been extrapolated out and cross referenced to military numbers. Example, IF 7BCM-001 was 47-0001 then 7BCM-010 would be 47-0010. I don't think this is correct with out a supporting document. A honest to goodness L16 is a little more valuable than a conversion. If it didn't have a military serial number, I would be skeptical with out any supporting facts.
When the plane was mustered out of service you would get the military numbers. The TC shows the military numbers eligible for specific models. I don't know where any of these other serial numbers would have come from.
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Re: Number of L16's

Post by MikeB » Tue May 08, 2012 15:09

Looking at the list: 47-1170 is 7BCM 395...... mine is 47-1180 and serial number 7BCM 405 or 10 digits difference so that seems to make sense (even though my number isn't there on the list).
With the big tail and the 0200 engine it isn't all that original to a L16A anyway. I'm not sure but I think most if not all of the L16A 's were equipted with C85 fuel injection engines. At least mine was. It seems a lot of them were converted back to carbureator when the CAP or the Natiional Guard had them.

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Post by williamc » Tue May 08, 2012 19:52

Mike,
There were 509 model 7BCMs sold to the military as L-16As. There were also 15 7BCMs sold directly to the civilian market. There are 170 of the original model 7BCMs now registered with the FAA. Of the 170, i'm pretty sure 20 don't exist. I'm also sure at least 3 are civilian 7BCMs. That leaves 147 possible L-16As now registered in the US. Of the 147, 41 are registered with their military serial number and 106 are registered with their 7BCM serial number ( Somewhere in the 106 could be up to 12 civilian 7BCMs). I believe several more of the 147 will disappear after the aircraft reregistration is completed on June 30,2013. As to the number of L-16Bs registered, I don't have a clue.
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Re: Number of L16's

Post by MikeB » Wed May 09, 2012 05:45

Thanks Bill!

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Re: Number of L16's

Post by drjeff » Thu Aug 09, 2012 21:03

Who bought Harvey's L16A from the Birmingham, AL area?? I heard it went to South Carolina area...
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Re: Number of L16's

Post by bigedac » Sun Jan 03, 2016 11:35

I have been trying to post on this site for some time. Mess up in password I guess. At any rate the Aviation Cadet Museum, Inc. in Eureka Springs bought an L-16-A last June. Serial #47-1147, 7BCM-372, N9098C and was built 11-14-47. All of this came off of the two metal plates in the aircraft. Most interesting is the military plate says "US Army Air Forces". If you didn't know, on June 20, 1941 the US Army Air Corps became the US Army Air Forces, they also went from the Flying Cadet Program to the Aviation Cadet Program on that date. The USAF came into being on Sept. 18, 1947. Apparently there were no plates with the new designation even though this aircraft was in the USAF. This AC also has an O-200, 100 hp conversion, elec. start. It is in excellent condition and will be repainted in it's original silver this spring. We also have the decals ready to put on it. It is a memorial to Henry (Gus) Albrecht who was my basic flight instructor at Vance AFB in 1960-61. He was shot down in Vietnam while flying with the Air Commandos in a T-28. I have been trying to get some interest up in a fly-in here, 55AR, Silver Wings Field in Eureka Springs, AR. So far no interest! Please check out our web site:www.aviationcadet.org All the photos on the home page have more behind them by clicking on them.
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Re: Number of L16's

Post by Richard » Sun May 15, 2016 21:46

5442V was sold at an auction for $26000; on May 7th at Eltopia WA. I was reading the logbooks; and it was released from the USAF flying club at McClellan AFB in 1957; as a L-16. It was restored back to its military marking as an L-16. It was a nice looking plane. I was confused as the registration lists it as a 7BCM-339; built in 1947. I had also thought that L-16's had an electrical system. This a/c didn't.

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