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WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 02:04
by AV8R2
I am looking for a buyer for a new 2010/11 15AC Sedan.

Tom Lee and I have a very good working relationship and between the two of us we have produced the FIRST new 15AC Sedan fuselage in (now) 60 years!

I am looking for a buyer that is interested in doing the same type arrangement with me to help produce the first NEW 2010/11 15AC Sedan; a new and complete, turn-key, fly-away Sedan. It will have the 180HP Lycoming O-360-A1A engine STC, 80" CS Prop STC, vertical instrument panel STC, extended baggage, large windows, dog-leg conversion STC, dual seaplane doors, lightweight battery, starter, alternator, 3200 series Alaskan Bushwheel Scott replacement tail wheel, the Pawnee tail spring conversion SB, steel tube formers, aluminum stringers, new series double puck brakes, wheels, 8:50 X 6.00 tires, hydraulic parking brake and the new brakes on the co-pilot side conversion.

It will be covered in Ceconite or Stits, finish to be determined; Color scheme to be determined. I will attempt to block out a set of numbers from the FAA like Aeronca did for the Sedan where they all ended in "H" and started from 1000 thru 1491. I may even try to continue on from the original N numbers. I don't know how successful I'll be but I will try.

So, all of this new wonder of the modern age will come and a new modern age price of $225,000.00. There will be a firm contract for the purchase/manufacture. The whole point here is to finish the tooling and get the Sedan back into the air. In the long run this plane is basically the means to an end; there will be no profit in this endeavor but it WILL finish the necessary tooling and setup to produce new Sedans.

If you are my buyer, then I am your company to give you the best bragging rights known in "Aeroncadom"; owner of the first new Sedan in 60 years and help put a beautiful bird back into the air.

I've managed to come this far and now I'll be damned if I'll quit now. There has to be someone out there that loves this plane as much as I that will help me get this done. Is it YOU? Call me @ 907-688-3715.

After all, this STILL is America and this is what made America great; little guys with BIG dreams!

Blue Skies and Tail Winds to All,

Burl

"Beautiful women and beautiful airplanes are never forgotten and are two of the greatest motivations a mortal man could ever know; each thinking the other is the mistress!" Burl A. Rogers-2009

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 07:16
by joea
Burl,

Great to hear this! Have to admit that someone contacted me a few days ago with the news but was sworn to secrecy, so did not pass it along or post it but now that its out in the open can celebrate!

If I win the lotto its top on my list. (finding a job would help!) Lets see if we can find someone who would like to have first of what we hope are many new Sedans!

Joe A

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 08:34
by WWhunter
Congrats Burl!!! I would jump on it in a second IF I had that kind of money. That still seems like a hell of a good buy for what it is.
Good Luck in these hard times.

WW

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 13:27
by AV8R2
Just a note here;

This cost/purchase price for the new plane does not need to be paid in full up front. There will be progressive payments required as production requirements arise. Most likely in $15,000-$25,000 increments.

I know this sounds like a lot money but this is what it takes anymore just to do any business anywhere. There are going to be a lot of special castings, dies, tooling made that we cannot do ourselves and will have to have made. There are 14 rib dies alone.

The up side also is that as new parts are available for the new plane then they are available to owners in the field that need the same parts. This is a win-win deal for all.

But can you imagine this: Buy the First, New Sedan and then have to go to Alaska to pickup your new plane and (Omygosh!) have fly around Alaska and tour the state a week or two and then fly home through Canada! A trip of a lifetime and what a way to get to know your new plane. Tough duty, huh?

Pass the word. Someone wants this plane!

Burl

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 14:02
by The Real Robert
I am on my way to the adult beverage store to buy some Lotto tickets. When I get rich I'll order two new Sedans. Then I'll hire JoeA as my pilot. That way I'll have the best of two worlds: A new Aeronca Sedan and a fellow conservative to help drive (fly) it around. The second one will go to John Rodkey, the up and coming Mr. Aeronca who has given so much of himself to help those of us who are smart enough to fly one of the worlds best airplanes, with the possible exception of the Chief which is like a sort of ugly step-sister to the CHAMPION and SEDAN?.
The Real Robert, in Grass Valley where we hit single digit temperatures last night.

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2009 14:45
by joea
Burl,

The word has been passed around. Posted this around this morning and already 62 people viewing this thread in less than 6 hours!

Joe A

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 02:22
by Matt
Burl,

That's the way to go!!! I am convinced, at least one of the real bush pilots will soon get weak over this offer! I would myself, had I not invested just about the same amount into a 60 year old Sedan with SMALL wheels, SMALL windows, NO extended baggage, NO copilot brakes, NO metal formers and stringers and – above all – an OLD engine with 35HP less!

Good luck for a new take off into Aeronca Sedan production! :D

Matt

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 07:45
by CptKelly
The New Sedan, with its 0-360 constant speed, will feel like two C-145's. The 0-360 will develop its full 180 or 200 hp for takeoff due to its constant speed prop. The C-145 (0-300), on the other hand, with its fixed pitch prop, only develops ~100 hp at 2200 rpm for takeoff. Those are the numbers, and if you don't believe me, look at the book. That new sedan will really be powerful. I flew an old Cessna 170B for a decade, and while it performed ... ok, it virtually was begging for more power.
I remember the T-41B we flew in the Army. It had a Continental 210 hp IO-360 C/S, and had lots of power- good plane.

Mike

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 22:02
by AV8R2
Just an update:

In the airplane business, things are looking up! (pardon the bad pun!)

I have had three inquiries about the new, turnkey Sedan to date. One fellow asked if that was the "base price" and I finally had to answer yes in that radio/com/gps, etc. installation is the owners' responsibility. I can get them installed but "that's extra".

I am really amazed that I got answers so soon since this is the only place that I have actually "advertised" the offer. Perhaps I will take out and ad in one of the prominent Aviation Magazines. Who knows what will happen. But then again, who knows who is looking at this forum?

Anyway, the shop sure looks empty now; no fuselage and nothing but fuel tanks all over the place. I have orders for 5 1/2 sets but building 6 1/2 sets. I have one set left for sale if anyone need tanks these will be ready to ship in about 15-20 days. I should have known better by now but the hardware and anti-chafe that I use is not really that common and is not readily available; special orders all over the place!

I have experienced several "severe" price increases since I took these orders but a deal is a deal; I will stick to my advertised price on these tanks. I will have to go over the cost increases and see how much I will have to increase the price of a set of tanks; currently they are $2400.00 per pair plus $26.00 crating (cost of $13.00 per box) plus freight/postage/shipping and insurance.

Spread the word; Champ and Chief fuel valves are in the works and STC is imminent and fairly soon.

Blue skies and tailwinds to all!

Burl

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 20:41
by shorty
Those engines O-360-A1A-A3A (hollow crank) have an AD that limits the operation.
But it's not really a factor. It just requires you to avoid operations between 2150-2350 RPM.
It seems that they set up a harmonic vibration causing premature failure of the crankshaft.

While 2300-2350 is a good economy cruise setting, one must use either 2100 or 2400.

I use 2450 in the Cherokee, (A3A) and cruise right at the yellow line, at 8 GPH.

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 21:23
by Robert Henley
AV8R2 wrote:Just an update:

Spread the word; Champ and Chief fuel valves are in the works and STC is imminent and fairly soon.

Burl
Any updated target date for the Champ fuel valves? Will it include the fuel tank screen that mounts on the fuel valve?

Regards

Robert

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 22:13
by AV8R2
The 80" constant speed prop STC (separate from the 180 HP STC) that we hold uses a damper on the propeller hub just behind the spinner backing plate. This damper ELIMINATES the RPM restriction that is present on the original 76" constant speed prop that is still part of the original 180 HP STC. You have 0-2,700 RPM available to use at any setting you wish.

As for the Champ/Chief fuel valves: the ICA has been turned in for FAA AIR60(?) in Kansas City, KS to pass their blessing on it. The drawings have been submitted to the DER for his final approval. Have not heard back from him as yet. I don't expect to have to make huge changes if any.

Just like all FAA STC projects, I counted on about four drawings to complete the set; wound up with 12 drawings, 6 per valve type. This STC will cover the nose tank valve; BAR-1-2403 and includes the copper screen soldered in the end fitting and a new stainless steel, die punched and formed universal joint.

The BAR-100-HD-06 main/aux valve will come with either the mounting adapter for installation as the main fuel valve for the Chief or with the BAR-2-937 mounting plate/bracket for installation as an aux tank valve in the Champ or Chief. You must specify when ordering this valve.

This way all that you will require is one STC to cover all the valves and their respective locations. I tried to make it all a simple as possible for all.

The valve bodies, parts and end fittings are in stock so as soon as I get approval and the STC then I can apply for PMA and can get going on the valves. There are still some parts that require fabrication and others that require modification. These part drawings must be approved before I start jumping the gun and make a bunch of parts that are not approved.

It wouldn't hurt to have those that are interested to email me and get on the list for which valves they need or want. Still have lots of Sedan valves in stock, too.

Blue Skies and Tail Winds to all!

Burl

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 09:30
by joea
Burl,

Just finished my bungees yesterday and after I parked the airplane several people came up to the plane and chatted.

Two of them remarked "why did Aeronca ever stopped building the Sedan" and most people echo this feeling. At that I told them that you were still making fuselages "as needed" so who knows, might have some new customers for new fuselages!

Joe

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:49
by AV8R2
Better than that, Joe. When I get past this @#%^&%#& wing AD we are starting our first new Sedan for sale. Hope to have all done in 18-20 months but who knows?

Burl

Re: WANTED: NEW Sedan buyer

Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 19:25
by joea
AV8R2 wrote:Better than that, Joe. When I get past this @#%^&%#& wing AD we are starting our first new Sedan for sale. Hope to have all done in 18-20 months but who knows?

Burl
Good to hear and also hope you can eventually get to work on the expanded fuel tanking system as well as the new fuselages/Sedans. Between those two hope that you have lots of work to come!

Joe