N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

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N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by Timcislo » Tue Aug 07, 2012 00:18

Aloha Sedan fans,

As we get organized and work out details for the restoration of N1163H, we're contemplating the paint scheme. We want the paint scheme to be an original Aeronca scheme, which I understand there were two...an early and a late scheme. Which is correct for N1163H? And what colors? Are there any records that survive that would indicate how N1163H was painted when it left the factory?

Thanks in advance for any help that you can provide.

Regards,

Tim
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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by Matt » Wed Aug 08, 2012 09:00

Hello Tim

Your Sedan's S/N indicates that it was manufactured in 1948. The original 1948 paint scheme was red and straw with bare aluminum wings and red ailerons. I heard rumors that other color combinations were also available like the green and cream in the picture of Konrad Jockus' N1003H that you posted, but have never seen proof of that in books or documents, by now.

Mike Hoag and Konrad Jockus might have more information. By the way, they are currently rebuilding N1285H:
http://www.n1331h.com/sedan_gallery/15ac-301-n1285h-01/

And here are pictures of Gareth Gilson's N1054F in its original 1948 paint scheme:
http://www.n1331h.com/adventures/may_20 ... ing_to_fly_/
http://www.n1331h.com/sedan_gallery/15a ... 4f_01.html

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by joea » Fri Aug 17, 2012 16:15

Tim,

In addition to what Matt has posted above, I would find a couple of Sedans near your serial number and use their paint scheme as a pattern to what yours was painted.

As to what the color is, it should be in your logbooks or hopefully some left on the metal parts on the fuselage.

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by Timcislo » Mon Aug 20, 2012 22:10

Matt & Joe,

Many thanks for your replies. I can't find anything in what logs I do have...and N1163H has been all yellow for many, many years. Patterning our paint scheme after a s/n that is close looks to be the way to go.

Thanks again.

Tim

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by joea » Mon Aug 20, 2012 22:15

Tim,

I tried that using the Sedan Gallery that Matt has and the two closest serial numbers to your airplane are "non-standard" paint schemes as well.

Personally I would pick one, red, blue or green and go with the original Aeronca factory paint scheme, but thats me and I like the original look.

If you go here: http://www.aeroncapilots.com/16nac_photos.htm you can see all the Sedans at the last Middletown fly-in, and among them are 6 or so Sedans to give you some ideas!

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by Matt » Tue Aug 21, 2012 02:34

Here is a short video clip of a 1948 Sedan, showing the original paint scheme, but not the colors:

http://www.efootage.com/stock-footage/7 ... _Air_Tour/

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by Matt » Tue Jan 07, 2014 01:10

Hello Tim

Any news from the restoration front?
Have a wonderful 2014!

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by dikholder » Tue Jan 07, 2014 15:29

Just a thought on the pretty original style paint schemes. I have flown as a CAP pilot in Alaska for almost 30 years. Most of our corporate CAP aircraft have Orange wing tips or red on the newer schemes. This tricolor pattern makes them much easier to spot in the event of an off airport mishap. I was getting ready to paint N1441H in the blue and white original scheme when I deployed on a long search for a blue and wihite Piper Saratoga that went missing near Cordova this fall. We never found a sign of it after several hundred search hours. I personally overflew some glaciers that are huge and it would have taken a lucky direct overflight to see a blue and white wreck in those crevasses which also appear Blue and White. Now I am going with a variation using an antique red on my wingtips and some white stars on the blue, and some red as a finflash on the rudder. I strongly believe that 3 colors improves your chances of being located in a mishap. I have seen almost flourescent orange wreckage blend in with fall colors so two colors alone wont do it for me anymore. Most of you are in more settled areas where this wont be as likely to present a problem as it does in rugged or timbered terrain, but it is worth considering.

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by Matt » Tue Jan 07, 2014 23:14

Thank you, Dik,

For your valuable and interesting observations and thoughts!

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Re: N1163H, s/n 15AC-176 Paint Scheme

Post by Matt » Tue Jan 07, 2014 23:20

Following is an input from Mike Hoag who asked me to forward it to Tim Cislo:
It is my understanding that the 1948 models were made up to serial number 330 and were painted red and Packard straw. The 1949s were painted blue and Packard straw. As far as I know, there were none painted green in the factory. Mike.
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