NAA Museum site? Johnny Jones and Smith long distance flight

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NAA Museum site? Johnny Jones and Smith long distance flight

Post by Paul Agaliotis » Mon Jul 03, 2006 19:41

Has the Board of Directors decided to create an Aeronca museum?
I have been thinking of building a replica of the Johnny Jones Chief and would like to see it on display. Is there any interest in this?
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Post by bwmatz » Tue Jul 04, 2006 08:15

Paul,

It's on our long list of things that would be great to do, but probably won't happen for quite a while. It would be major undertaking.

Go ahead and build the Johnny Jones replica Chief and fly it! THAT would be cool.
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Post by joea » Tue Jul 04, 2006 09:08

As well would love to see one made!

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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Wed Jul 05, 2006 18:22

I,m starting to do some preliminary work now. The problem would be a storage area for the completed aircraft. While I have workspace, the assembled aircraft will occupy more hanger space than I have now. Also flying a single place Prewar-Chief with 150gal of gas may not be as fun as you think.
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Post by Nathan K. Hammond » Wed Jul 05, 2006 18:30

I'm not familar, what's the story on Johnny Jones' Chief?

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Post by joea » Wed Jul 05, 2006 18:38

Paul,

You do not have to fill the tanks all the time, or even once, but it would be neat to see how it was done and so on.

Nathan,

Here you go!

http://www.geo-met.com/tommysmith/jones.htm

FLIER SPANS U.S.
AT COST OF $30.91

Sets Record for Light Planes
on Non-Stop Hop in 30
Hours 37 Minutes
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A new non-stop distance records for light planes was set yesterday afternoon when John M. (Johnny) Jones, 25-year old Van-Nuys (Calif.) flier, landed at Roosevelt Field, L. I., after spanning the continent from West to East in a craft with a lower horsepo wer rating, and operating cost per mile than that, of popular-priced automobiles.

Exactly 30 hours and 37 minutes after taking off from Los Angeles, Jones put his stock model Aeronca, powered by a fifty-horsepower Continental engine, down at the Long Island field. The entire cost of the 2,785-mile trip was estimated at $30.91. The former United States record for light planes was held by Robert E. Bryant, who flew 1,014 miles in a non-stop, flight from Miami to Camden, NJ, last July 31.

Jones, who is part owner of an airplane agency on the West coast and formerly was a vaudeville dancer, appeared to be stiff and tired when he climbed from the small plane at, the Long Island field.

"It's the gas tanks," he explained. "The regular tank in this plane holds only twelve gallons of gas, but on a long trip like this I figured I'd need about 130 or 140 gallons, so I had an eighty-five gallon tank built alongside my seat and a forty-nine gallon tank in the compartment for baggage. They cramped me a little, I'm afraid.

At the Hotel McAlpin, from the suite formerly occupied by Rear Admiral Richard E. Byrd and Douglas Corrigan, Jones immediately put in a phone call to his mother, Mrs. Bertha C. Jones of Van Nuys.

As he washed and shaved and later ate a dish of hot soup, he chatted with fliers, aviation enthusiasts and newspapermen. Of medium height, slender and soft spoken, the young Californian seems to have a great deal more poise and self-assurance than the, average pilot.

"All in all it was a pleasant trip," he said. The weather was fine almost all the way in. I had 146 gallons of gas aboard at the take- off, which made the plane weigh 1,900 pounds. You can see what an overload I had when you realize that the plane weighs about 650 pounds empty.

"I used about 123 gallons of gas and less than a quart of oil, on the trip, and when I landed I bad enough fuel for about four more hours."

The four-cylinder, fifty-horse power engine burns about 3.5 gallons of gas an hour while cruising at 91 miles an hour.

Jones explained that he had bucked head winds from Los Angeles to El Paso, then had experienced almost calm weather from there to Cincinnati and from that point to New York had a slight tail wind. His route was from Los Angeles to Yuma to Tucson to El Paso to Fort Worth to Nashville to Cincinnati to Pittsburgh to New York.

"I cruised at about ninety-one miles an hour at an average altitude of 5,000 feet," he said. "I had to go to 7,000 feet about eighty miles east of El Paso to get over the mountains, but that was the highest point of the whole trip. Really it was an uneventful trip. Everything worked out perfectly"

The only food aboard the tiny plane was a quart of milk, a quart of water, a pound of dates and about a dozen bars of candy. Only part of the food was eaten.

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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Tue Jul 18, 2006 22:06

Does anyone have pictures of the interior of Johnny Jones Chief or Tommy Smiths Chief. I need some information on the tankage and if any structure was added for the weight increase.
Do any of our senior members recall if Aeronca did the retrofit?
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Post by bwmatz » Wed Jul 19, 2006 08:56

Paul,

I left a message for Bob Hollenbaugh. If Aeronca did anything with the airplane, he'll know about it. Will let you know what he says when I hear back from him.
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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Wed Jul 19, 2006 18:15

Thanks Brian,
It looks like 900 to 950lbs in the right side cabin area. I dont know if they added any support for the fuel load.
I,ve got the wing ribs done and the bottom end of the engine is assembled.
The engine is basicly an A65-3, I dont have the cylinders rebuilt yet. Is there anyone that could recommend a rebuilder for the top exhaust cylinders.
Also is there a dyno available for adjusting fuel consumption. I,ll need to get it down to about 3 to 3 1/2 GPH at 2100. This will give about a 4000 mile range.
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Post by bwmatz » Thu Jul 20, 2006 09:17

Paul...this is from Bob...I'll keep you updated as I find out more.


> The Jonny Jones airplane was pretty much a standard 50C Chief except
> with added fuel tanks. I'll see what I can come up with in the way of
> drawings and photos. Houser might be able to help. I knew some of the
> fellows that worked on the airplane but of course they are all gone
> now.

> Bob
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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Thu Jul 20, 2006 17:50

Brian,
Thanks for any help you can give me.
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Post by bwmatz » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:42

Paul,

The following is from Bob Hollenbaugh...not a whole lot to go on unfortunately:

> As I suspected, Houser says there is no documentation on the Jonny
> Jones airplane. The airplane was registered as experimental and
> documentation for CAA was not required. The mods for the flight were > mostly to fuel and oil systems. If the interested party would like photos, > he might contact Houser. I don't know what he might have.

You can contact John Houser via mail and see if he has any photos that show the modifications.

John Houser
1615 Sunset St.
Middletown, OH 45042

I also talked to NAA Pres. Jim Thompson...he is going to search through his boxes to see if he can find anything that may help, though he doesn't remember anything technical such as drawings, just photos. I'll keep you posted.
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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Tue Aug 08, 2006 17:48

Brian,
Thank you for all of your effort. The majority of the photos I have are publicity shots and not technical in nature.
I have no doubt I can squeeze the fuel into the cabin. I would like the installation to be as close to original as possible.
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Post by joea » Fri Aug 18, 2006 18:37

Paul,

Have you seen this? I had not and knew a bit about the flight.

http://www.geo-met.com/tommysmith/jones.htm

Also worth looking at: http://www.geo-met.com/tommysmith

Also this has data about his airplane, which might be like the Jones model.
http://www.geo-met.com/tommysmith/aero.htm

* 3 Special fuel tanks (148 gallons)
Total Fuel capacity 160 gallons
Special oil Tank 2 Gallons
Stewart Warner electric fuel pump
Emergency hand wobble pump
Map case
1 Quart Thermos bottle water
1 Quart Therms bottle
Flashlight
Exide 6 volt battery
Position lights
A N Type Relief Tube
Cabin heater
Mixture and spark controls
Strut and Cabin air temperature Thermometer
Turn and bank Indicator
Rate of Climb Indicator
Sensitive Altimeter
Air Speed indicator
Clock
Engine tachometer
Oil Pressure indicator
Oil Temperature Indicator
Carburetor air temperature indicator
Electric fuel gauge on 12 Gallon gravity tank
Sperry artificial Horizon
Sperry Directional Gyro
Two Pioneer magnetic Compasses
Richie Aperiodic compass
Gatty drift indicator
Arens throttle
Shock mounted Instrument panel
Two elevator tabs
Very pistol and cartridges

WEIGHTS OF A STANDARD AIRPLANE


* Standard stock model weight empty -- 665 - 670 Pounds

Standard stock model gross weight 1150 Pounds


WEIGHT OF NX-22456


* Weight empty - 840 Pounds with equipment listed
* Pilot 150 Pounds
* Oil 2 gallons, 15 Pounds
* Gas 160 Gallons, 960 Pounds
* Total Gross Weight- 1965 Pounds
* Wing loading 11.62 Pounds/Sq. Ft.
* Power loading 30.2 Pounds/HP


Data sheet courtesy of Aeronca, Inc.

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Post by Paul Agaliotis » Sun Aug 27, 2006 18:14

Joe,
Thanks for the links. I have been to the sites before and have come away with even more questions. It lists the aircraft has 2 trim tabs, the photo shows the right elevator with the tab installed. Was it in flight adjustable? The pitot has 3 probes, possibly for some of the added equiptment. Every time I look at either aircraft, Jones or Smith, I see more items I need to research.
Both of the flights were underrated due to the times. The Jones flight brought the light plane into the spot light, as also the Smith flight would have.
I,m thinking of finishing the airplane to represent the Jones aircraft from the left and Smith from the right. Both pilots and flights should be recognized.
If anyone runs across any information about these flights please let me know.
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